[Mod] Mesecons (= redstone) [GitHub] [minetest-mod-mesecons]

[Temperest]

No, the plugs do not work vertically, because it would make it more difficult to stack circuits on top of each other, which is vital for compact circuits such as my 8-bit adder I posted in this thread a while ago.

[Gatharoth]

No, the plugs do not work vertically, because it would make it more difficult to stack circuits on top of each other, which is vital for compact circuits such as my 8-bit adder I posted in this thread a while ago.

Alright. Well, I was using your plugs and inverters since, the mesecon transmitters and inverters weren't working. I could download the fix from Github, but I had already made a workaround.

But I needed to go vertically because I had multiple circuitry going on underground.

Oh well, I found another way to do it. Anyway, thanks for answer, now I know for future reference.

[Menche]

How are transmitters/receivers used?

[Jeija]

@Menche: First of all, I discovered a bug in version 0.5 of the mod. You should use the GitHub version.
How they are used:
Transmitters Send out a signal on a certain channel. The channel is set by the block below them. Receivers receive the signal on the same channel, also set by the block below.
Wireless inverters are the same, but they always receive the opposite signal, they invert it.

[Menche]

Um, how exactly is the channel set? Is it by the type of block underneath? I can't get it to work, in 0.5 or git. I'm using the recipes from the first post with the brown checkered pattern boxes, is that right?

[dannydark]

Um, how exactly is the channel set? Is it by the type of block underneath? I can't get it to work, in 0.5 or git. I'm using the recipes from the first post with the brown checkered pattern boxes, is that right?

Yeah the block underneath the transmitter and receiver/inverter is what sets the channel, so basically if you put a transmitter on top of sand and then put the receiver/inverter on top of sand when the transmitter is powered it will send power to any and all wireless receivers or wireless inverters that are on top of a sand block.

[Temperest]

Quick update on Adder:



I managed to fix the crashing issue (there was a random piece of mesecon floating between the two conductive lanes).

Also updated the schematic:



Download world: http://db.tt/VyMa0WnL

Coming soon: memory module.

[sfan5]

Quick update on Adder:



I managed to fix the crashing issue (there was a random piece of mesecon floating between the two conductive lanes).

Also updated the schematic:



Download world: http://db.tt/VyMa0WnL

Coming soon: memory module.

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[MirceaKitsune]

Although I haven't tried it yet, this is a fantastic mod! I support some of the items being put in MT by default, though not all. Since this is a larger mod, I'd like to hear what the developers would think of that. IMO, this is even nicer than MC's redstone.

BTW. I'm trying to get another mod started, which would be a similar yet different idea. In case anyone's interested: http://c55.me/minetest/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=11133

[Temperest]

Here is a seven segment display with hexidecimal input, using line selectors and conductive patterns:



On the right side you can see two of the four memory cell towers, holding 1 byte each. Here are the schematics for the memory cell:



If anyone wants to see the world for themselves, I can upload it.

[MirceaKitsune]

Looks very awesome! About time we seen things like this in Minetest :D

[Jeija]

Temperest, please Upload this world!! :D
Never thought it's possible to do such amazing stuff with this mod :)

[sfan5]

Here is a seven segment display with hexidecimal input, using line selectors and conductive patterns:



On the right side you can see two of the four memory cell towers, holding 1 byte each. Here are the schematics for the memory cell:



If anyone wants to see the world for themselves, I can upload it.

Upload the World!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sfan5]

I preset:
13x11 Torch Display

[Temperest]

Here it is:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8097754/world%20-%20Memory%20and%20Display.zip

Requires the ENABLE_TEMPEREST flag to be set.

I've tried making more complex circuits with torches, but the delay they introduce adds up, until the circuit is unmanagably slow. Is there anything that can be done to make torches faster, or make plugs and inverters stop crashing the game?

[sfan5]

Here it is:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8097754/world%20-%20Memory%20and%20Display.zip

Requires the ENABLE_TEMPEREST flag to be set.

I've tried making more complex circuits with torches, but the delay they introduce adds up, until the circuit is unmanagably slow. Is there anything that can be done to make torches faster, or make plugs and inverters stop crashing the game?

...
minetest.register_abm({
nodenames = {"jeija:mesecon_torch_off","jeija:mesecon_torch_on"},
interval = 0.1,
chance = 1,
action = function(pos, node, active_object_count, active_object_count_wider)
...
You can try to change that to 0.01 or something like that, it could work

[sfan5]

Here it is:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8097754/world%20-%20Memory%20and%20Display.zip

Requires the ENABLE_TEMPEREST flag to be set.

I've tried making more complex circuits with torches, but the delay they introduce adds up, until the circuit is unmanagably slow. Is there anything that can be done to make torches faster, or make plugs and inverters stop crashing the game?

Can you update to the newest WorldEdit and save the Display with WorldEdit?
Because I want to keep my World.

[Jeija]

Setting the interval even lower won't work.
The minimum interval seems to be 1 second :(
Is this a bug or a feature?

[kahrl]

ABMs only run up to once per second. I predict that the upcoming node metadata revamp will include node timers that can react faster than that.

http://c55.me/minetest/wiki/doku.php?id=nodemetadata_proposal

[Jeija]

All that would be really cool, kahrl!
Would be great if you also fixed this bug:
http://c55.me/minetest/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=10143#p10143

[kahrl]

Dunno, the description there seems a little vague. Do you have any simple testcase to reproduce it?

[Temperest]

Here it is:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8097754/world%20-%20Memory%20and%20Display.zip

Requires the ENABLE_TEMPEREST flag to be set.

I've tried making more complex circuits with torches, but the delay they introduce adds up, until the circuit is unmanagably slow. Is there anything that can be done to make torches faster, or make plugs and inverters stop crashing the game?

Can you update to the newest WorldEdit and save the Display with WorldEdit?
Because I want to keep my World.

Here you go: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8097754/Designs.zip

I can also upload the Logisim schematics if anyone is interested.

[Jeija]

You're right, the bug report isn't right. I thought this would be the solution, but it wasn't.
I still don't know why the game crashes.
You may try to create a mod called generator:

Your phone or window isn't wide enough to display the code box. If it's a phone, try rotating it to landscape mode.

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minetest.register_node("generator:off", {
    tile_images = {"generator_off.png"},
    description = 'Generator',
    paramtype2 = "facedir",
    metadata_name = "generic",
    material = minetest.digprop_woodlike(3.0),
})

minetest.register_on_placenode(function(pos, newnode, placer)
    if newnode.name=="generator:off" then
        local meta = minetest.env:get_meta(pos)
        meta:get_inventory():set_list("fuel", {""})
        meta:set_inventory_draw_spec(
            "invsize[8,9;]list[current_name;fuel;4,2;1,1;]"
            .."list[current_player;main;0,5;8,4;]"
        )
        meta:set_infotext("Generator")
    end
end)


This is your init.lua
Now create a depends.txt with experimental in the dependencies. For some reason now the game crashes when placing a generator. Any idea why?

Sorry for the wrong bug report :(.

[kahrl]

Hmm. I tried it both in 0.4.dev-20120122-1 and commit 993821a924 (current master) and it did not crash. I only have the following mods: bucket, default, experimental, generator, give_initial_stuff, legacy.

[Jeija]

Well, it doesn't not work for me :(. I use the current master.
This is the error I get:

Your phone or window isn't wide enough to display the code box. If it's a phone, try rotating it to landscape mode.

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15:11:50: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player Jeija tried to access [node under=87,2,-9 above=87,3,-9] from too far: d=109.201, max_d=100. ignoring.
15:11:52: ACTION[ServerThread]: Jeija places node generator:off at (87,3,-7)
15:11:52: ACTION[ServerThread]: facedir: 1
15:11:52: ERROR[ServerThread]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: LuaError: error: /home/florian/.minetest/usermods/generator/init.lua:11: attempt to index a nil value
15:11:52: ERROR[ServerThread]: stack traceback:

In thread b3a42b40:
/tmp/yaourt-tmp-florian/aur-minetest-git/src/minetest/src/server.cpp:113: virtual void* ServerThread::Thread(): Assertion '0' failed.
Debug stacks:
DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD afffcb40:
#0  virtual void* MeshUpdateThread::Thread()
DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD b16cfb40:
#0  virtual void* EmergeThread::Thread()
(Leftover data: #1  virtual MapBlock* ServerMap::emergeBlock(v3s16, bool): p=(9,0,4), allow_generate=0)
(Leftover data: #2  MapBlock* ServerMap::loadBlock(v3s16))
(Leftover data: #3  void ServerMap::loadBlock(std::string*, v3s16, MapSector*, bool))
DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD b3a42b40:
#0  virtual void* ServerThread::Thread()
(Leftover data: #1  void Server::Receive())
(Leftover data: #2  void Server::ProcessData(irr::u8*, irr::u32, irr::u16))
(Leftover data: #3  RemoteClient* Server::getClient(irr::u16))
(Leftover data: #4  void BlockEmergeQueue::addBlock(irr::u16, v3s16, irr::u8))
DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD b544d700:
#0  int main(int, char**)
(Leftover data: #1  void ClientMap::renderMap(irr::video::IVideoDriver*, irr::s32))
(Leftover data: #2  virtual void ClientEnvironment::step(float))
(Leftover data: #3  void Client::Receive())
(Leftover data: #4  void Client::ProcessData(irr::u8*, irr::u32, irr::u16))
(Leftover data: #5  void MeshUpdateQueue::addBlock(v3s16, MeshMakeData*, bool))


Line 11 is this: meta:get_inventory():set_list("fuel", {""})
Everything else seems to work fine, just this line causes problems.
I have only experimental in the depends file.

[jordan4ibanez]

just pushing it back to the front page where it belongs

[sfan5]

just pushing it back to the front page where it belongs

:D

[jordan4ibanez]

i find it quite amazing that i can use minecrafts tutorial to use your mod!

[Jeija]

OK, some questions about the future of this mod:
1) Should I split this mod (like animals) so that every single item is just an addon for the core mod?
2) Is there someone who is able to create a "meseconlike" drawtype so that mesecons going up/down the hill look better (I tried that and failed :( )
3) I think this mod is nearly finished, or what do you think? What new core features would you like to have apart from 2?
4) Could someone please implement the node timer think that some guys talked about on IRC?
5) Could someone implement the node timer thing so that I can add real delayer.
6) Should this mod be renamed into mesecons? I mean, the folder is called jeija because my first plan was to put all different sorts of mods in this one. When I first released this, it was already a lot of code and I was tired of renaming ^^.

Of course I know that c55 and kahrl decide on the c++ stuff. So it is your decision if this can be added to minetest or not!

At least question 1+3+6 can be answered by everyone :D! Tell me your opinnion!

[jordan4ibanez]

1.) maybe
3.) yea i think it's almost done ..except for mesecon repeaters (delay switch)
4.) take a look at the particles mod and use its built-in timer for that ..you could use that for the delay switch!
6.) why not name it mesestone? :)