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by **fraang** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 15:20

Concerning the name I would recommend to use a name for the engine and a name for each game. AFAIK the engine and Minetest game are seperated into two repos already, so it would make sense, right?

I have no concrete idea for the name but maybe this words could be used to create it:

Source, Resource, Origin, Element(s), Genesis, Grid, Array, Block(s), Seed

Concerning the engine development:
I think it would be a good idea to collect idea for gameplay etc. in the wiki. The more detailed the idea is the better.
If the idea is worked out there should be a list of needed engine features to achieve it. I guess in most cases they exist already.
Nevertheless there are of course ideas only feasible to do in the engine or at least in good way. This things should be opt-in or op-out and give the player a sensible number of options in the options menu/screen whatever. For example the player sprite/3D player feature.
Maybe it is worth considering build flags for certain features?

And before I forget:
I can program in C++ and know the basics of the irrlicht engine. I have some sparetime to spend and could help out. But I am not a C++ guru nor do I have the time to manage the whole code.

Just my two cents.

by **Neuromancer** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 00:26

For a name how about OTB OutsideTheBlocks, MineCrew, WorldCreator, EpicBuilder, OpenCraft

by **mauvebic** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 00:48

Neuromancer wrote: Plus 4.3 crashes like crazy for me,

On my new tower the game window hangs, on my old tower, i hear a "click" and the whole computer freezes. :-/

by **cornernote** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 01:00

mauvebic wrote:on my old tower, i hear a "click" and the whole computer freezes. :-/

I wonder which c++ code makes your hardware "click" =)

by **mauvebic** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 01:10

god knows. when a mod causes the game to bug half the time it drops back to menu the other half it kills the window entirely.

by **Neuromancer** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:17

Wait, I got it..... WorldCraft. What would you rather play, Minecraft or WorldCraft? We're not just crafting mines, we're creating worlds. Also this isn't just one company writing software, this is about the people from all over the world coming together to create an epic game.

by **Mito551** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 14:25

Realmcraft, then, is better, we already have "world" and "craft" together.

by **2cool4me4** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:16

Realmcraft... Sounds like it needs a lot of medieval/fantasy options, therefore going with the Minecraft theme, which is not what we are trying to do...
I actually like WorldCraft...

by **Mito551** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 17:40

Minecraft isn't medieval! a bit fantasy, yeah. and we can just go realistic medieval, like song of ice and fire!(game of thrones).
landcraft then? :)

worldcraft is problematic because we have world of warcraft. it's just confusing. and warcraft and worldcraft sound similliar.

by **cosarara97** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 18:06

I don't like realms... I'd like a name with "block" or "cube" in it, and without "craft".

by **Mito551** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 18:36

cosarara97 wrote:I don't like realms... I'd like a name with "block" or "cube" in it, and without "craft".

Blocky World?
Cube Land?

by **Josh** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 03:39

Neuromancer wrote:Wait, I got it..... WorldCraft. What would you rather play, Minecraft or WorldCraft? We're not just crafting mines, we're creating worlds. Also this isn't just one company writing software, this is about the people from all over the world coming together to create an epic game.

That sounds like a great idea :D:D +10

by **Mito551** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 19:21

did you try to say it aloud? "Worldcraft". it's nearly impossible to tell whether you're talking about -currently- MT or warcraft. war and world just sound too alike. do you like "minedraft" name, then, for example?

my main idea is to aim for something unique and outstanding. Realmcraft, Dwarves, Legacy Builder, Minefication, you name it.

by **Casimir** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 19:38

Names are irrelevant. That's why I like "minetest" - it's just random.

List of my mods · by **PilzAdam** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 19:47

Casimir wrote:Names are irrelevant. That's why I like "minetest" - it's just random.

+1

by **Casimir** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 20:04

PilzAdam wrote:
Casimir wrote:Names are irrelevant. That's why I like "minetest" - it's just random.

+1

But not the "mine" part ;)

by **rubenwardy** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 16:59

Celeron55 just wrote this in #minetest-dev

(5:53:32 PM) celeron55: by the way, if somebody thinks they could make good use of push rights to upstream, tell me

by **Neuromancer** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 23:29

Casimir wrote:Names are irrelevant. That's why I like "minetest" - it's just random.

Cool, you can date Ethel, and I'll date her friend Lexi. :)

by **NakedFury** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 01:02

Names are not irrelevant. Names can make or brake a games fame.

Too crap a name and nobody will touch it or waste time in it. Also if it sounds too much like already established games it will also damage the reputation of the game.

I know this game was inspired by Infiniminer and Minecraft and I think started as a c++ clone. There are many different ways to name it that do not involve either mine or craft in the name.

I also like the idea of the engine being named different than the game part.

And concerning

Celeron55 just wrote this in #minetest-dev
(5:53:32 PM) celeron55: by the way, if somebody thinks they could make good use of push rights to upstream, tell me

I think it best to give that right to the moderators of the forum. They are already trusted to keep the forum a safe place and keep the Irc channel clean and safe too. Giving them rights would be the ideal step. Since they are many pulling requests and features into the game could be done in a voting manner.

First they pull or push(whatever the way it is in github) the most needed bug fixes or regular fixes there are and for the future they can post about if in the forums telling the community of coming changes. As soon as all mods agree they can do a new version.

Version 4.3 can remain as the stable for some time and until a new stable -ish version comes all will be unstable or experimental builds.

by **Topywo** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 08:18

NakedFury wrote:Celeron55 just wrote this in #minetest-dev
(5:53:32 PM) celeron55: by the way, if somebody thinks they could make good use of push rights to upstream, tell me

I think it best to give that right to the moderators of the forum. They are already trusted to keep the forum a safe place and keep the Irc channel clean and safe too. Giving them rights would be the ideal step. Since they are many pulling requests and features into the game could be done in a voting manner.

First they pull or push(whatever the way it is in github) the most needed bug fixes or regular fixes there are and for the future they can post about if in the forums telling the community of coming changes. As soon as all mods agree they can do a new version.

Version 4.3 can remain as the stable for some time and until a new stable -ish version comes all will be unstable or experimental builds.

Sounds good setting up a system like that. At least if the moderators are willing to take this extra work on them. Maybe there's a need for more moderators. Preferably with a bit of programming knowledge.

p.s. I like the name minetest. The game tests your skill to mine, it's also a bit like my test (to build) and I'm used to it.

Half-serious: Someone already thought/posted about calling the game Mesetint (anagram from Minetest)

EDIT: lol, I searched for mesetint and found out it was already called so for a while (so far being original...) http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=41293#p41293

by **sfan5** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 08:55

We just need someone who can apply patches to the official repo

by **VanessaE** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 01:13

@Topywo: actually, "mesetint" used to be the name given to the main "game" that was supplied with the engine at one time (I keep thinking late 0.3.x or early 0.4-dev is when it changed to "minetest" and then to "minetest_game" after that).

by **Topywo** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 06:41

Thanks for the info VanessaE!

by **xyz** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 14:48

https://github.com/minetest/minetest

by **jin_xi** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 15:36

thanks for taking the time to do this, its great news.

by **trukoil** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 21:53

May the use of a jit version of Lua give more performance to the game?

by **cornernote** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 22:25

xyz wrote:https://github.com/minetest/minetest

+1000

by **MirceaKitsune** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:56

I discussed this on IRC as well, and totally approve. celeron55 is the only one with push rights on GIT right now. Although I fully understand being careful about what happens to his project, things are no longer advancing when he's not around to check other people's codes and merge them. I consider this is suffocating the project... unless the situation changes MineTest will barely have a few new features next year at this date. It would make me sad to see Celeron "robbed" of his project and the c55-minetest left in the dust, but he has to trust someone else with the code else a new version that goes on would have to be created.

Thankfully this is changing. c55 announced that he'll be trusting a few developers to have GIT write access as well. Those who are interested must complete a survey, which can be found here: http://c55.me/temp/mt_dev_survey/ Hopefully after he takes the decision things will get a lot better, and there will be no need to fork and divide the project (which would have a very harmful side as well).

List of my mods · by **PilzAdam** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 13:29

c55 gave xyz, darkrose and me push access to the main repos.

by **GloopMaster** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 13:58

Only thing i dont understand is that one of the people he gave access to the repos... will just soil it.

Yes, i'm looking at you, pilzadam.

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