3rd person view

[Inocudom]

That's a good idea. Have a fly cam if you have fly privs and a camera locked into looking at the player, otherwise.

The camera should not be able to go through blocks unless the noclip priviledge is had.

Right, it could be used for cheating.

To further limit cheating, the camera's maximum distance from the player should be limited (this also prevents players from taking the camera all the way to the end of the world.)

For the sake of realism, first person view could allow the player to look down at his/her body from where his/her head is (and the camera would be inside the head, of course.) PilzAdam did attempt something like this before:
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80739#p80739

[BlockMen]

A free moveable camera would be an idea for somewhen far in the future. At least i wont do it next time.

For the sake of realism, first person view could allow the player to look down at his/her body from where his/her head is (and the camera would be inside the head, of course.) PilzAdam did attempt something like this before:
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80739#p80739

IMO it looks crap. Furthermore you cant place the camera inside of the head since you would see the mesh/model from inside then. And you get even more problems with the wield items since the models animations are then visible (like the digging arm) and would cause interferences.

[hoodedice]

A free moveable camera would be an idea for somewhen far in the future. At least i wont do it next time.

For the sake of realism, first person view could allow the player to look down at his/her body from where his/her head is (and the camera would be inside the head, of course.) PilzAdam did attempt something like this before:
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80739#p80739

IMO it looks crap. Furthermore you cant place the camera inside of the head since you would see the mesh/model from inside then. And you get even more problems with the wield items since the models animations are then visible (like the digging arm) and would cause interferences.

What if we used another mesh, which would be overridden for other players on server, that would not have a head? And then fix the camera such that certain views, such as looking straight down at your neck is impossible?

I don't get what you mean by "And you get even more problems with the wield items since the models animations are then visible (like the digging arm) and would cause interferences"

[BlockMen]

A free moveable camera would be an idea for somewhen far in the future. At least i wont do it next time.

For the sake of realism, first person view could allow the player to look down at his/her body from where his/her head is (and the camera would be inside the head, of course.) PilzAdam did attempt something like this before:
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80739#p80739

IMO it looks crap. Furthermore you cant place the camera inside of the head since you would see the mesh/model from inside then. And you get even more problems with the wield items since the models animations are then visible (like the digging arm) and would cause interferences.

What if we used another mesh, which would be overridden for other players on server, that would not have a head? And then fix the camera such that certain views, such as looking straight down at your neck is impossible?

I don't get what you mean by "And you get even more problems with the wield items since the models animations are then visible (like the digging arm) and would cause interferences"

With a headless mesh it would work, yes. That needs to be used just by client then, so one mesh more to download when connecting to server.

And maybe its better to understand when trying out ;) Remove https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest/blob/third_person_view/src/game.cpp#L3344 and https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest/blob/third_person_view/src/content_cao.cpp#L1129 then you will see what i mean.

Well, that could be done with that "client-side" headless model to, but i dont think that it should be done like that...

[hoodedice]

TOO MUCH CODE. HEAD STUCK IN LAPTOP HINGE.

Sorry man, but I don't know C++ yet =/

[Inocudom]

A free moveable camera would be an idea for somewhen far in the future. At least i wont do it next time.



IMO it looks crap. Furthermore you cant place the camera inside of the head since you would see the mesh/model from inside then. And you get even more problems with the wield items since the models animations are then visible (like the digging arm) and would cause interferences.

What if we used another mesh, which would be overridden for other players on server, that would not have a head? And then fix the camera such that certain views, such as looking straight down at your neck is impossible?

I don't get what you mean by "And you get even more problems with the wield items since the models animations are then visible (like the digging arm) and would cause interferences"

With a headless mesh it would work, yes. That needs to be used just by client then, so one mesh more to download when connecting to server.

And maybe its better to understand when trying out ;) Remove https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest/blob/third_person_view/src/game.cpp#L3344 and https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest/blob/third_person_view/src/content_cao.cpp#L1129 then you will see what i mean.

Well, that could be done with that "client-side" headless model to, but i dont think that it should be done like that...

From what I noticed, only the outside faces of the default player model's mesh are visible.

[rubenwardy]

From what I noticed, only the outside faces of the default player model's mesh are visible.

Yes, but when you look down, there will be a point where you can see the edges of the mesh.

[Misty]

Blockmen,

Great work.
I am waiting patiently for this to be added to Minetest.
Third person view will be wonderful for let's play, tutorial, and video screenshot videos.
( also It would just be fun to see how our characters look in the Minetest world. )
I play on Linux, so unfortunately a windows build, or a patch for Minetest on Windows isnt something I can use.

I'm going to scroll back and reread this topic in case I missed something about a linux download, but I wanted to let you know how excited I am to have this feature in the works. I've been meaning to say something for a while.
I watched the Videos and third person view is looking good, I want a cape to. :)

[CWz]

I play on Linux, so unfortunately a windows build, or a patch for Minetest on Windows isnt something I can use.

you can compile from git.

[DeepGaze]

f5 is for coordinates and developer console

[gsmanners]

I think this is using F7.

Anyway, another way you could go would be to use the Skyrim method: Free look (with the camera snapped to the player) all the time except if the player is moving the character with directional keys (WASD). If the character is moving, then you lock the camera behind or in front of the character.

[Misty]

CWz yes, thanks. if I get desperate to try this I will compile from git.

[Evergreen]

CWz yes, thanks. if I get desperate to try this I will compile from git.

Misty, in linux, compiling things is normal. It isn't just some "Last resort". Just download it from github, copy minetest_game to the game folder, then cmake. - DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 make -j3 ./minetest/bin/minetest. BAM

[webdesigner97]

CWz yes, thanks. if I get desperate to try this I will compile from git.

Misty, in linux, compiling things is normal. It isn't just some "Last resort". Just download it from github, copy minetest_game to the game folder, then cmake. - DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 make -j3 ./minetest/bin/minetest. BAM

If it would be that simple one Windows... (I am quite sure that within the next 4 hours someone will post that Windows is sh*t)

[Evergreen]

CWz yes, thanks. if I get desperate to try this I will compile from git.

Misty, in linux, compiling things is normal. It isn't just some "Last resort". Just download it from github, copy minetest_game to the game folder, then cmake. - DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 make -j3 ./minetest/bin/minetest. BAM

If it would be that simple one Windows... (I am quite sure that within the next 4 hours someone will post that Windows is sh*t)

Yes, it's not that simple on windows. :P

[CheerfulCherub]

I tried this on Minetest Direct X dev and it didn't work, what name are you suppose to give it, or just not working on that version.

[webdesigner97]

This is not a mod which you just copy and rename...

[Capaverdeferro]

linux?

[Evergreen]

linux?

*sigh* Just git clone the repository and compile it.

[Inocudom]

Why has this not been added to Minetest yet?

[sfan5]

Why has this not been added to Minetest yet?

The code used to achieve the 3rd person view is hacky.
It either needs to use pre-defined animations (which is bad) or wait for the server to answer (which is laggy).

[BlockMen]

The code used to achieve the 3rd person view is hacky.

Not anymore.

It either needs to use pre-defined animations (which is bad) or wait for the server to answer (which is laggy).

Why should that be bad? Thats the only way to allow costum models (with other framerates) and to prevent laggy (walking and digging) animations.

[Inocudom]

The code used to achieve the 3rd person view is hacky.

Not anymore.

It either needs to use pre-defined animations (which is bad) or wait for the server to answer (which is laggy).

Why should that be bad? Thats the only way to allow costum models (with other framerates) and to prevent laggy (walking and digging) animations.

...And that is all of the discussion concerning this feature? Really? I guess nobody really cares about it, which is a shame.

Freeminer has this feature in it, but the community of that fork pretty much forced me to eternally divorce it.

[4aiman]

It seems that Blockmen has no idea HOW laggy it is..
Also it's "custom". "CUSTOM", dude, first "U" and then "O", NOT otherwise! You can't just swap letters and pretend that no one cares! For ages different people has told you about this and still you're "costumized" that word so it fits you...
What's worse, you're making this mistake in your mods too!
And then Russian pupils start asking why it's a mistake, 'cause some Blockmen (which should be spelled with "a", not "e", BTW) has wrote it at some English forum which makes him right and those pupils teacher and parents wrong.
Please STOP making this stupid mistake and spell it like this: "custom". Note, that "cost" is NOT the word to check the spelling of "custom" - they're NOT related.
Тьфу, коробит аж!
*IDK how to translate the above one into English, but it's a nice way to say that "this mistake makes me mad"*

Incudom, have you ever seen how it works within Freeminer? It's HORRIBLE. Animations are all messed up.

[BlockMen]

It seems that Blockmen has no idea HOW laggy it is..
Also it's "custom". "CUSTOM", dude, first "U" and then "O", NOT otherwise! You can't just swap letters and pretend that no one cares! For ages different people has told you about this and still you're "costumized" that word so it fits you...
What's worse, you're making this mistake in your mods too!
And then Russian pupils start asking why it's a mistake, 'cause some Blockmen (which should be spelled with "a", not "e", BTW) has wrote it at some English forum which makes him right and those pupils teacher and parents wrong.
Please STOP making this stupid mistake and spell it like this: "custom". Note, that "cost" is NOT the word to check the spelling of "custom" - they're NOT related.
Тьфу, коробит аж!
*IDK how to translate the above one into English, but it's a nice way to say that "this mistake makes me mad"*

Incudom, have you ever seen how it works within Freeminer? It's HORRIBLE. Animations are all messed up.

1) I know that my english is not good and that i make mistakes, but i never said that my english good. Furthermore im not a teacher so im not in charge that pupils learn correct english.

2) When i have seen a hint on misspelling i corrected it, so what the hell are you talking about?

3) I know that "BlockMen" is not spelled correct in the sense of a blocky man, but i have chosen that nick because it is everywhere available. And since when has a nick be spelled correct or be logical, 4aiman?

4) This is absolutely OFFtopic and would be better placed in a pm if your real intention would be to help.

5) I dont know if anything got messed up in FM, but that code proller included in FM worked fine in MT. The animation of your character in 3rd person view cant be laggy except you are running the game on an electric toothbrush.

And if you think it is that bad, why dont you fix it? Seems that raging over other ppl and their spelling makes more fun...

[rubenwardy]

It seems that Blockmen has no idea HOW laggy it is..
Also it's "custom". "CUSTOM", dude, first "U" and then "O", NOT otherwise! You can't just swap letters and pretend that no one cares! For ages different people has told you about this and still you're "costumized" that word so it fits you...
What's worse, you're making this mistake in your mods too!
And then Russian pupils start asking why it's a mistake, 'cause some Blockmen (which should be spelled with "a", not "e", BTW) has wrote it at some English forum which makes him right and those pupils teacher and parents wrong.
Please STOP making this stupid mistake and spell it like this: "custom". Note, that "cost" is NOT the word to check the spelling of "custom" - they're NOT related.
Тьфу, коробит аж!
*IDK how to translate the above one into English, but it's a nice way to say that "this mistake makes me mad"*

Incudom, have you ever seen how it works within Freeminer? It's HORRIBLE. Animations are all messed up.

That was uncalled for.

[4aiman]

https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=136140#p136140
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=118680#p118680
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=118097#p118097
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=113017#p113017
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97121#p97121

Uncalled, huh? Search for "costum". I'm sorry for doing this, but it's the only way to not allow some "costum" variables into the engine.

3rd person needs work. A lot. I don't need this feature, but it should be fixed for multiplayer.
For me it's more important to fix Pseudorandom:Next documentation which is currently lying to us.

[Amaz]

I can't compile this on Ubuntu... Cmake runs fine as does make, until it gets to the minetestserver exectable. When it has compiled(?) that, it returns this error:
[spoiler]
[ 62%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/minetestserver.dir/voxelalgorithms.cpp.o
Linking CXX executable ../bin/minetestserver
[ 62%] Built target minetestserver
make: *** [all] Error 2
[/spoiler]
And I don't see any error messages up to that point... And I'm just compiling as it says to in the readme.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

[hoodedice]

https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=136140#p136140
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=118680#p118680
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=118097#p118097
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=113017#p113017
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=97121#p97121

Uncalled, huh? Search for "costum". I'm sorry for doing this, but it's the only way to not allow some "costum" variables into the engine.

3rd person needs work. A lot. I don't need this feature, but it should be fixed for multiplayer.
For me it's more important to fix Pseudorandom:Next documentation which is currently lying to us.

Dude. At that time, I was working on my fork of that mod, and I was getting errors because I was misspelling 'costum'. But then again, it's just a code and as long as you get the code right, it shouldn't be a problem.

What are you doing? Are you working on this patch? Are you working on that mod? Does the misspelling of 'custom' cause any difficulties for you, apart from the general OCD which all grammar nazis get? I worked on it, so I have a right to complain, because it was a general problem in a variable name. Which could be easily fixed. So it was no biggie and I stopped asking.


Now, as far as the patch itself is concerned, I did try the windows build out, and it works well, with no problems apart from the 'pointer in front of head' one. As such, I still request for a GTA 4 style over-the-shoulder-cam to be added, if possible.

[4aiman]

@ hoodedice:
I've answered your questions via PM.
You're free to tell anyone what I've wrote to you or to repost it here if you think that's necessary or someone would ask you (on which behalf I doubt).

@ Amaz:
Please, describe the activity you're performing to build: commands, listings, debug output etc.