New trees

[RealBadAngel]

Here goes new trees, made with L-Systems.
Some screenshots:
[img]http://realbadangel.pl/RealAppleTree.png][/img]
[img]http://realbadangel.pl/under_the_tree.png][/img]

and video made when testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GocjjOLuogk

Simple tools (tree spawners), easy to edit in LUA with 2 examples
http://realbadangel.pl/treegen_tools.zip
More info aviable here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1066

And a mod that implements them in a more usual setting:
VanessaE's More Trees: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4394

Note: treegen itself doesnt replace trees in mapgen. It will be used by new mapgen which is in development.

We need more decent models, create some! :)

Some theory on L-systems: http://www.jflap.org/tutorial/lsystem/index.html
and to understand how the yaw/pitch/roll works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_principal_axes take a look at animated airplanes below.
Update 30.12.2012: Treegen is now in the engine, just use latest builds, or compile from git.

[jojoa1997]

+100
How does this affect lag?

[0gb.us]

Nice. VanessaE told me you were working on this. I can't wait untill it makes it into the stable version.

+100
How does this affect lag?

According to VanessaE, it will greatly reduce lag caused by plugins that generate trees. If no such plugins are installed, it should have no effect on lag.

[jojoa1997]

could you take some more pics. I might want this.

[PilzAdam]

+100
How does this affect lag?

It is written in c++ so its very fast. And the mapgen shouldnt be slower because less trees have to generate if they are big like this.

[Iqualfragile]

looks great!

[rinoux]

they looks very very nice !!

[webdesigner97]

Wow! These trees are awesome! :D

[LazyJ]

+1

More forests, more tree varieties, higher mountains, deeper valleys, naturally occurring rivers, streams and waterfalls, etc, etc.

This mod is one more step forward for Minetest. \0/

[Casimir]

I love L-Systems!

[RealBadAngel]

added link to video made during tests.

+1

More forests, more tree varieties, higher mountains, deeper valleys, naturally occurring rivers, streams and waterfalls, etc, etc.

This mod is one more step forward for Minetest. \0/

This isnt a mod, its a part of the engine, made in c++.

[Inocudom]

I am not sure how to install or compile this but the trees look very nice. There are even dead trees in the desert (I would consider adding another type of tree that exclusively appears in deserts that has long, eerie branches without leaves on them.)

[leo_rockway]

I like this a lot.

[tekk]

I'm completely against it as it stands. It makes the game prettier when you spawn, but your world becomes ugly later. How many wood blocks are in each tree, roughly? Bear in mind that you have get rid of every wood block to make all of the leaves fall, otherwise it laeves you with just a bunch of floating leaves, which is unpleasant. In addition, clearing out a forest is far less practical, taking minutes with even an axe for each tree, which impedes large building projects. I would like it if it included a good timber mod. Otherwise I can't say it'd improve the game, but in fact make it worse.

[PilzAdam]

I'm completely against it as it stands. It makes the game prettier when you spawn, but your world becomes ugly later. How many wood blocks are in each tree, roughly? Bear in mind that you have get rid of every wood block to make all of the leaves fall, otherwise it laeves you with just a bunch of floating leaves, which is unpleasant. In addition, clearing out a forest is far less practical, taking minutes with even an axe for each tree, which impedes large building projects. I would like it if it included a good timber mod. Otherwise I can't say it'd improve the game, but in fact make it worse.

You are wrong.
It adds a new aspect to the gameplay and its acuatually really fun to cut them down.
Statistic for cutting down 1 tree (average height):

• took 2 in-game days (without night)
• took nearly 1 steel axe
• gives 3 stacks wood
• gives 8 stacks leaves
• gives 4 stacks leaves

... and a lot of fun!

[Neuromancer]

I say we give the new trees a try. They are absolutely gorgeous and add a much greater realism to the game. If they are a real pain to chop down then let someone adapt the timber mod.

I'm not sure about having many if any trees in the desert however. The point of a desert is that it is barren. If you put too much stuff there, it doesn't feel like a real desert anymore.

[leo_rockway]

I'm not sure about having many if any trees in the desert however. The point of a desert is that it is barren. If you put too much stuff there, it doesn't feel like a real desert anymore.

They look very pretty, but I agree.

Also, about what tekk said... I agree, but those trees are so pretty!

[tekk]

You are wrong.
It adds a new aspect to the gameplay and its acuatually really fun to cut them down.
Statistic for cutting down 1 tree (average height):

• took 2 in-game days (without night)
• took nearly 1 steel axe
• gives 3 stacks wood
• gives 8 stacks leaves
• gives 4 stacks leaves

... and a lot of fun!

I'd certainly agree that it adds a new aspect to gameplay, but I'm far from a fan of it. Looking at the size, these will take longer to chop down than big trees in minecraft, which I absolutely despise in my tree farms and in any other situation aside from the aesthetic, because they do such a good job of mucking up other growth on top of spending my time. Are you honestly saying that using 2 days of ingame time chopping down a tree was more fun than whatever else you could have been doing?

[PilzAdam]

You are wrong.
It adds a new aspect to the gameplay and its acuatually really fun to cut them down.
Statistic for cutting down 1 tree (average height):

• took 2 in-game days (without night)
• took nearly 1 steel axe
• gives 3 stacks wood
• gives 8 stacks leaves
• gives 4 stacks leaves

... and a lot of fun!

I'd certainly agree that it adds a new aspect to gameplay, but I'm far from a fan of it. Looking at the size, these will take longer to chop down than big trees in minecraft, which I absolutely despise in my tree farms and in any other situation aside from the aesthetic, because they do such a good job of mucking up other growth on top of spending my time. Are you honestly saying that using 2 days of ingame time chopping down a tree was more fun than whatever else you could have been doing?

Minetest currently has not much gameplay. So I am happy if new things like this are implemented.

[tekk]

Minetest currently has not much gameplay. So I am happy if new things like this are implemented.

And you couldn't have gotten the same enjoyment by chopping down more than one small tree?

[PilzAdam]

Minetest currently has not much gameplay. So I am happy if new things like this are implemented.

And you couldn't have gotten the same enjoyment by chopping down more than one small tree?

Did you actually cutted down some of the new trees?

[tekk]

Minetest currently has not much gameplay. So I am happy if new things like this are implemented.

And you couldn't have gotten the same enjoyment by chopping down more than one small tree?

Did you actually cutted down some of the new trees?

Not yet, but has there been any balancing done with the wood or anything? doesn't take as long to chop maybe? I'm just using my experience with minecraft here largely.

[RealBadAngel]

And you couldn't have gotten the same enjoyment by chopping down more than one small tree?

Did you actually cutted down some of the new trees?

Not yet, but has there been any balancing done with the wood or anything? doesn't take as long to chop maybe? I'm just using my experience with minecraft here largely.

so choose smaller ones to chop down and leave hundred years old oaks alone :)

[tekk]

Did you actually cutted down some of the new trees?

Not yet, but has there been any balancing done with the wood or anything? doesn't take as long to chop maybe? I'm just using my experience with minecraft here largely.

so choose smaller ones to chop down and leave hundred years old oaks alone :)

Oh, so it leaves normal trees in the game? The video didn't show any of them.

[RealBadAngel]

Not yet, but has there been any balancing done with the wood or anything? doesn't take as long to chop maybe? I'm just using my experience with minecraft here largely.

so choose smaller ones to chop down and leave hundred years old oaks alone :)

Oh, so it leaves normal trees in the game? The video didn't show any of them.

Then watch again, those sticks around are default trees ;)
Anyway, treegen doesnt replace default trees. It will be used by new mapgen. Video is made with manual placed trees, to show how could the world look like.
Look also at apple tree. Its like 2 nodes higher than default tree. Still too big for ya?
Treegen is able to generate trees of ANY size, from tiny to huge. And ANY designed shape.
Young trees are relatively easy to chop down, in a huge tree you can build a house.
As for farms, make them out of apple trees, not sequoias :P

[Sokomine]

Poor trees! They grow into such height - and people want nothing but chop them down :-)

The new trees are great. I like additions to the plantlife. And when the trees will eventually be grouped in forrests and do not appear everywhere, it ought to be possible to find large enough areas without huge trees for larger structures.

[0gb.us]

For some reason, when I first read your post, the images weren't coming through. But I did like the idea of custom tree generation being faster.

Now that I can see the images though, your trees are beautiful! They sort of remind me of trees from Terasology, although when I try t create a world in that game, it crashes, so I never got a good look at them.

[Jordach]

For some reason, when I first read your post, the images weren't coming through. But I did like the idea of custom tree generation being faster.

Now that I can see the images though, your trees are beautiful! They sort of remind me of trees from Terasology, although when I try t create a world in that game, it crashes, so I never got a good look at them.

The tree's code was converted from Terasology.

[RealBadAngel]

Yes, the idea and initial code comes from Terasology. Now it can get it back, i made lotsa improvements. Update to treegen coming tommorow/

[Neuromancer]

Yes, the idea and initial code comes from Terasology. Now it can get it back, i made lotsa improvements. Update to treegen coming tommorow/

You could add a rail gun like Terasology to basically blow the heck out of any giant trees that grow in unwanted locations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pWBrGHS8H8