[Mod] Immersive Sounds [.36] [ambience]

[Neuromancer]

Hey Pilz,

I'm getting better response by changing "pos.y = pos.y+ 1.5" to "pos.y = pos.y+ 1.0". The splash happens sooner and I think a person is counted as underwater when they are standing in 2 blocks of water. Do you see any problems with going to the 1.0? I tried .5 and that was bad. My legs were in the water and my body was out but I heard bubbles.

[PilzAdam]

Hey Pilz,

I'm getting better response by changing "pos.y = pos.y+ 1.5" to "pos.y = pos.y+ 1.0". The splash happens sooner and I think a person is counted as underwater when they are standing in 2 blocks of water. Do you see any problems with going to the 1.0? I tried .5 and that was bad. My legs were in the water and my body was out but I heard bubbles.

I will make it in a different way (without on_start).
EDIT: Added: https://github.com/PilzAdam/MinetestAmbience

[Neuromancer]

Argh, the ideas just keep coming:

-To tell you are in the ocean for dolphins, if you are underwater, just check x+20, x-20, z+20, z-20 for water. If there is water in 3 out of 4 of these positions, then you are in the ocean. (already have sounds)

-To tell if you are on a hill for howling wind, check for y> 25 and x+5 for air at the following coords y - 2, y -7, y -12, y -17
Then do the same for, x-5, z+5, z-5. If any of these is true for all y, then you are on a hill. (already have sound)

-To tell if you are in the desert, check to see if you are standing on desert sand or desert rock.

-waterfalls & fountains need to look for a watersource & falling water, but I don't know how to detect this.

Pilz, this is more than I will be able to get to all at once. I know you are working on a lot of mods, but if any of these strike you as something you want to try, let me know so I we don't work on the same thing at the same time.

[Neuromancer]

I will make it in a different way (without on_start).
EDIT: Added: https://github.com/PilzAdam/MinetestAmbience

When I stand in one block deep of water without moving, I hear the splash over and over again. However this might be useful for the sloshing water I was talking about when treading water. We need a loud splash 1 time when entering the water, and a gentle slosh when in the water with the top half of you out of the water.

Also you got rid of the quieter frequent birds. Did you not like them? I kind of liked hearing the loud blue jay call and to the quieter one, like they were having a conversation.

EDIT: I found a really good gentle slosh sound for when standing in or treading water. I will upload soon.

[PilzAdam]

I will make it in a different way (without on_start).
EDIT: Added: https://github.com/PilzAdam/MinetestAmbience

When I stand in one block deep of water without moving, I hear the splash over and over again. However this might be useful for the sloshing water I was talking about when treading water. We need a loud splash 1 time when entering the water, and a gentle slosh when in the water with the top half of you out of the water.

Also you got rid of the quieter frequent birds. Did you not like them? I kind of liked hearing the loud blue jay call and to the quieter one, like they were having a conversation.

I didnt got rid of them i dont added them in the past.

[Neuromancer]

I didnt got rid of them i dont added them in the past.

Are you open to adding the code to make the frequent day to be more distant sounds? It made the bird singing a lot less obnoxious. More of just a quiet background noise.

I added to github:
--Lake_Waves_2* for treading water or standing in water.
--water_swimming_splashing*, for swimming through water

[PilzAdam]

I didnt got rid of them i dont added them in the past.

Are you open to adding the code to make the frequent day to be more distant sounds? It made the bird singing a lot less obnoxios. More of just a quiet background noise.

I added to github:
--Lake_Waves_2* for treading water or standing in water.
--water_swimming_splashing*, for swimming through water

I will add this (all) but i think not today.

[Neuromancer]

I will add this (all) but i think not today.

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Sounds good.
EDIT:
I was going to add a random factor to how quiet they got.
-add random_volume parameter to night normal, day normal, & cave normal sounds to create feeling of distance. by multiplying by a random .01 to .4. (It would actually vary depending on the environment.)

[PewDiePie]

it doesnt make sounds for me. please help
_Pewdy_

[Neuromancer]

Hmm, to help you we're going to need more information from you. What version was it that you installed? You hear all the other sounds in minetest? What were the exact steps you did to install? What operating system are you running on? Sorry for the 20 questions.

[Jordach]

*Waits for email*

[PewDiePie]

i currently use minetest 0.4.2. i have a windows 7,i download the newest version with all the sounds and i drag it into my mod folder and when i enter the game i hear nothing not even my foot steps when i like walk on sand or dirt. i cant hear anything when i mine stone. nothing. im wondering maybe i did some thing wrong.
_Pewdy_

[Temperest]

0.4.2rc is missing the libraries needed for OpenAL to work properly. It says so in the release notes. That's why it's an RC, not a stable release.

However, you can still get sound by installing OpenAL globally on your system.

[PilzAdam]

i currently use minetest 0.4.2. i have a windows 7,i download the newest version with all the sounds and i drag it into my mod folder and when i enter the game i hear nothing not even my foot steps when i like walk on sand or dirt. i cant hear anything when i mine stone. nothing. im wondering maybe i did some thing wrong.
_Pewdy_

Unzip the mod archive.

[Neuromancer]

.4.2rc is missing the libraries needed for OpenAL to work properly. It says so in the release notes. That's why it's an RC, not a stable release.

However, you can still get sound by installing OpenAL globally on your system.

Right. Pewdy, I have always had to intall OpenAL on my machines to get sounds in minetest for Windows. You can get it here: http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/Downloads/Forms/AllItems.aspx
-on that web page click on oalinst which will download this
-open the .zip file
-double click oalinst.exe and it will install the general sounds.
-then like Pilz said, you need to unzip the mod as well ambience.zip into your mods\minetest folder. You should wind up with a folder called ambience in your \mods\minetest folder

[rubenwardy]

Takes ages to load :D

But worth it...

[Neuromancer]

@Pilz,

Just wanted to go over the other things I added to see if you see any merit to them.
One thing I did was change your 100 to 1000 for the upper limit of the random function. The reason I did this was the music. It plays a little too much for my taste (we only have a few songs) when in single user mode and so I didn't think I could set it's frequency to a decimal like .7. Also in multiplayer it plays much more frequently than in single and so really needed to bump it lower. I know 100 gives nice round percentages, but can you go below a 1 for music?

I also moved all the parameters to variables that could be configured in the top of the init.lua. I did this because sometimes our releases are screwed up on the frequencies of things (which is easy to do), and it gave other users and us a way to easily fix a release without us having to re-release everything. Also I was hoping that others might find configurations that sound much better than ours and that we could learn from them if we made it easy to share without uploading the entire init.lua. You cannot imagine how much time I spend fine tuning each configuration every time there is an engine change. However no one has taken advantage of this so far, and maybe no one will.

Do you see any value in either of these changes I made?

[Neuromancer]

Takes ages to load :D

But worth it...

It's the songs. I'm almost positive Minetest loaded quicker without them. What's your opinion, are the songs worth the extra load time? The other files are much smaller. Just move out of the sounds folder any sounds/songs .ogg files that you don't like, and I think the effect is that they just won't play.

[PilzAdam]

@Pilz,

Just wanted to go over the other things I added to see if you see any merit to them.
One thing I did was change your 100 to 1000 for the upper limit of the random function. The reason I did this was the music. It plays a little too much for my taste (we only have a few songs) when in single user mode and so I didn't think I could set it's frequency to a decimal like .7. Also in multiplayer it plays much more frequently than in single and so really needed to bump it lower. I know 100 gives nice round percentages, but can you go below a 1 for music?

I also moved all the parameters to variables that could be configured in the top of the init.lua. I did this because sometimes our releases are screwed up on the frequencies of things (which is easy to do), and it gave other users and us a way to easily fix a release without us having to re-release everything. Also I was hoping that others might find configurations that sound much better than ours and that we could learn from them if we made it easy to share without uploading the entire init.lua. You cannot imagine how much time I spend fine tuning each configuration every time there is an engine change. However no one has taken advantage of this so far, and maybe no one will.

Do you see any value in either of these changes I made?

Im happy that I have you for the fine tuning. I made the core code of the mod but all the other things that make the mod so awesome (new sound files, fine tuning) came from you. The code works pretty well for now, so I will let you your freedom to customize your mod to your wishes.

[Neuromancer]

Im happy that I have you for the fine tuning. I made the core code of the mod but all the other things that make the mod so awesome (new sound files, fine tuning) came from you. The code works pretty well for now, so I will let you your freedom to customize your mod to your wishes.

I have always saw this mod as our mod, yours and mine, and also Jordach's as well (and anyone else who want's to contribute for that matter). But mostly yours and mine. And so that's why I give you these long rationales for my changes (the ones you don't pull into your code), because I'm just trying to find a consensus between us. If you make the case that my changes don't have merit, I'm open to leaving them out. For example putting the config at the top has it's pluses and minuses. I just want to know your thinking on these matters because I value it.

It is hard to collaborate, because creative people are always going to have different visions on where to take a project or even how to implement it. But I think we work well as a team. So I'm wondering, are you saying you are done coding this mod, or you are just going along with these changes and will continue contributing?

I liked that you were changing the splash out of the on_start method that I used to implement it because your splash does happen way sooner. And well I still haven't figured out how to tell if someone is swimming (moving through water on the surface) and so I need you to help me figure stuff like that out, and to make the code organized better and implementing things in the best way. Working with you on my first Mod has taught me a lot about how to write the code, but now I'm kind of getting into your domain where I used to focus on the sounds, the tuning and the testing.

[rubenwardy]

Takes ages to load :D

But worth it...

It's the songs. I'm almost positive Minetest loaded quicker without them. What's your opinion, are the songs worth the extra load time? The other files are much smaller. Just move out of the sounds folder any sounds/songs .ogg files that you don't like, and I think the effect is that they just won't play.

Songs are nice, :)

[PewDiePie]

when i click on it a agreement window pops up and i press ok and another thing pops up saying installation incomplete.

[Temperest]

That means your installation is incomplete.

[Neuromancer]

when i click on it a agreement window pops up and i press ok and another thing pops up saying installation incomplete.

Hmmm... I installed this on 3 different windows machines and never got this error message.

-try the mod it anyway, if it works it works.
If not,
-did you unzip the oalinst.zip file first?
-can you temporarily disable any anti-virus software you're running?

Do these 2 and re-try.

[rubenwardy]

when i click on it a agreement window pops up and i press ok and another thing pops up saying installation incomplete.

Hmmm... I installed this on 3 different windows machines and never got this error message.

-try the mod it anyway, if it works it works.
If not,
-did you unzip the oalinst.zip file first?
-can you temporarily disable any anti-virus software you're running?

Do these 2 and re-try.

OpenAL Installs instantly, it is ok

[Neuromancer]

@pilz, check this one out. Do you think it goes with Minetest?

http://soundcloud.com/xi-intersection/mass-effect-uncharted-worlds

[RealBadAngel]

@pilz, check this one out. Do you think it goes with Minetest?

http://soundcloud.com/xi-intersection/mass-effect-uncharted-worlds

imho cool one

[Qaddosh]

This mod is superb. I have been using it for a little while now. I turned the music play frequency up and the music volume up, because that's how I roll.

[PilzAdam]

@pilz, check this one out. Do you think it goes with Minetest?

http://soundcloud.com/xi-intersection/mass-effect-uncharted-worlds

Yes.

[Phitherek_]

Great mod, but some sounds annoyed my friends when we played on multiplayer (this loud bird at day and bats in cave). But the songs played with ZynAddSubFX... Ahhhh, I love them, especially that I create things on Zyn too :).