TumeniNodes wrote:It's called morals, basic social standards, consideration, courtesy, decency, respect, or other such definitions one wishes to add...
One of the biggest problems facing our society today is the flood of those who desire the rest of the world to lower the standards, expectations, acceptable social standards so that they do not have to feel "uncomfortable" about the fact they have lesser morals, standards, etc.... And then they cannot be viewed or perceived as immoral, or socially unacceptable in behavoir, etc...
And they will defend their view on these things with verbal, and often even physical aggression, and insults.
One of the biggest problems facing our society today is the flood of those who desire to feel right about their morals, without examining them more than superficially. And they will defend their view on these things with logical fallacies and pat themselves on their righteous backs for making such a great argument.
I have had a few people use the same bland/popular excuse with me when I comment on their use of profanity among and towards young children... "Mind your own business", and "Well they're gonna hear it eventually so I'd rather have them hear it from me rather than have them go into shock the first time they hear it in the real world"
And other such lame excuses... Hey, your kids may be shot or be next to someone who gets shot in the real world... better they experience it from you than go into shock.. blah blah blah...
This analogy assumes from the start that bad words are harmful like gunshots are (though maybe not to the same degree), which is a non-argument when you are arguing that bad words are bad in the first place.
The people who strongly fight for the lowering of basic social standards such as regarding profanity among and toward young children are the same type who fight with as much ferocity regarding legalizing pot, etc., and they will never relent..., they are demanding that the entire world/ society change for them, toward their views, while turning it around and stating their anger at others who they view doing the same for them.
Either off-topic or ad hominem.
I see many younger adults/parents today using awful profanity around and toward their children, quite often when in the city near where I live, and it's just disgusting and vile. But these people become extremely volatile, aggressive, and angry the second someone makes them feel "uncomfortable" with their unacceptable behavoir.
This seems like another ad hominem; it looks like the problem you are describing is with those people's overreactions to you, rather than with bad words themselves.
Hey, you wanna abuse and verbally assault your own children in your own home, then you are a disgusting piece of filth, but there is nothing I can do about it (aside from the fact that in some countries people can face charges for such abuse)... but do not do so around my children... because I will speak up.
Verbal abuse is not the same as bad words, even if abuse is often done with swearing. If I told you that you are worthless and that nobody could love you, that would be verbal abuse, and if someone says that the pizza is fucking great, that isn't verbal abuse. I would never support anyone's verbal abuse toward children, but that is not the same as swearing near them, or even in a conversation with them.
You may have complete disregard, and disrespect for your own children, but you will respect other's children when in they public eye and earshot.
It's not clear why swearing near children indicates disregard and disrespect. Maybe you should say why? One might argue that swearing around children (if you normally swear around adults too) is showing respect, in that you aren't toning down your language because you think they can't handle it. It's important here by the way to distinguish between respect and politeness, because it's possible to be impolite but still respectful, depending on the setting.
And trust me, I have stated what I wanted to, and will not engage in any debate with anyone on it here.
Unless you are just using this as your feel-good soapbox, you might want to rethink that since your arguments are weak.
I will add that I find it extremely immature for an adult to go to such lengths to insult others who do not share their view of morals or support the continuously lowering of standards in society.
Good thing I haven't insulted you, except maybe the soapbox quip.
The "Who the f are you to judge me!" folks have been winning these fights more and more, because decent people do not want to deal with the aggressive responses (similar to a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum, using invalid reasoning)
Like with verbal abuse, angry overreactions aren't the only context that swearing happens in. It might also be hypocritical to criticize other people's invalid reasoning when your post is full of it.
It has always been societies obligation to "judge" others on their behavoir in public..., this is how right from wrong has been kept in clear view... until PC and ultra-liberalism took over. So many "things you cannot say" but... F*** is great... you can shout it all day long at, around anyone you like with absolute disregard for anyone else's feeling or views on such behavoir.
So judging some things are good to you, but judging on some other things is not? It's almost as if we need to examine what society should be judging, such as whether swearing is a social menace.
It's funny how so many people, on all sides of every disagreement push their views on everyone else, while criticizing their opponent of doing the same... this is the world we live in... which is why I do not bother with people much anymore...
This is a valid point. It's much more important to argue about whether we should allow swearing, than to argue about whether TumeniNodes should think that swearing is ok.
Freedom... does not give one the right to violate other's freedoms or rights, and it is not a valid excuse to use to hide behind while doing so.
You may have the freedom and right to behave a certain way in your own privacy... but when in public, there are restrictions, because other's in public have freedom and rights as well, and their views may not be the same as yours.. this is why basic, acceptable social standards in behavoir exist. It means realizing this truth and showing consideration, and regard for others in public.
What freedom or right is being violated here? The right to not be offended? If I don't see the argument the same way as you do, I probably won't get to the same conclusions as you, so you need to spell it out.
And much of the internet is "public space".
I would disagree, most websites have no or very limited space for public speech. Even those that do usually have lots of restrictions imposed by whatever private entity operates it, which normally wouldn't be imposed on speech in a public place like a park.
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